WEBVTT 00:00:25.261 --> 00:00:27.621 Hello, and welcome to Salt Cravings. 00:00:27.641 --> 00:00:31.501 This is a podcast where we have cravings and then we solve them. 00:00:31.841 --> 00:00:32.941 My name's Clair. 00:00:33.581 --> 00:00:35.001 And my name's Brianna. 00:00:35.381 --> 00:00:39.621 And today, I've got this like ancient talisman. 00:00:40.121 --> 00:00:45.101 I was inspired by this documentary called Indiana Jones. 00:00:45.601 --> 00:00:51.421 And so I went into the nearest temple just down the street. 00:00:52.721 --> 00:00:54.301 And like evaded all the traps. 00:00:54.621 --> 00:01:00.781 And then even though there were signs that were like, please do not steal the priceless artifacts. 00:01:00.921 --> 00:01:02.081 This is not a joke. 00:01:02.281 --> 00:01:06.641 I realized that satire is kind of just like, that happens in temples. 00:01:07.081 --> 00:01:09.941 So I get that it was kind of just edging me on. 00:01:09.961 --> 00:01:12.541 It was kind of just like, we dare you to. 00:01:12.881 --> 00:01:17.901 Yeah, it wasn't a recognition of the importance of these cultural artifacts. 00:01:17.921 --> 00:01:19.141 It was just a bit. 00:01:19.601 --> 00:01:21.581 It was just satire, as we know. 00:01:21.581 --> 00:01:26.161 Everything is a joke, including in temples, especially in temples. 00:01:26.781 --> 00:01:32.861 So I took it and faced zero consequences after escaping a number of death traps. 00:01:33.201 --> 00:01:35.521 Something about it shakes up the vibes. 00:01:35.761 --> 00:01:36.761 Not a big deal. 00:01:37.001 --> 00:01:41.821 I'm gonna hold it up to the camera and deep in the- 00:01:41.841 --> 00:01:43.821 Yeah, I wanna see this talisman. 00:01:44.021 --> 00:01:45.101 I would love to see it. 00:01:45.121 --> 00:01:47.141 I would love to see it held up to the camera. 00:01:47.381 --> 00:01:49.281 Yeah, so here is the talisman. 00:01:50.941 --> 00:01:53.181 Can you describe the talisman for me? 00:01:53.201 --> 00:01:58.161 I'm having a hard time describing the talisman. 00:01:58.541 --> 00:02:00.401 It has some nice curves. 00:02:05.861 --> 00:02:13.061 It's fairly long-ish and has some curves and ridges. 00:02:15.101 --> 00:02:17.681 Sort of shaped a little bit like a lobster claw. 00:02:27.261 --> 00:02:30.301 Something about the vibes, you know? 00:02:32.741 --> 00:02:39.501 Do they allow this? 00:02:40.701 --> 00:02:45.001 The vibes, the vibes, Brianna. 00:02:45.021 --> 00:02:48.261 This is the weirdest vibe check I've ever seen. 00:02:49.521 --> 00:02:54.481 So it feels like the vibes have shifted a little bit, thanks to the talisman. 00:02:54.761 --> 00:02:58.941 Yeah, I'm feeling very much like I'm having a different vibe. 00:02:58.961 --> 00:03:01.841 Yeah, I feel like I've been vibe checked. 00:03:01.961 --> 00:03:03.681 A new vibe has come upon me. 00:03:03.701 --> 00:03:11.941 Yeah, I feel like my vibe feels very much sort of like what I imagine your vibe feels like. 00:03:12.641 --> 00:03:20.861 That's really weird, because I'm really thinking about outer space and blaster pistols a lot more recently. 00:03:20.881 --> 00:03:23.481 And I feel like this is maybe your vibe. 00:03:23.501 --> 00:03:31.621 Uh-huh, I've been thinking a lot about discourse, and I just like, I know what a computer is and how it works now, so that's really strange. 00:03:32.421 --> 00:03:38.101 I couldn't, I don't know what a computer is. 00:03:38.361 --> 00:03:42.221 Wow, it's like some sort of freaky shift. 00:03:42.601 --> 00:03:44.001 Freaky vibe day. 00:03:44.181 --> 00:03:48.021 Well, we are recording this on a Sunday, so maybe it's freaky Sunday. 00:03:49.921 --> 00:03:54.021 Do you want to tell me what your first craving is and get these vibes rolling? 00:03:54.041 --> 00:03:56.121 Yeah, let's get these vibes rolling. 00:03:58.481 --> 00:03:59.941 Love this extremely. 00:04:03.341 --> 00:04:06.221 We're doing cravings that the other person tends to bring today. 00:04:06.301 --> 00:04:08.021 That's the vibe we're doing today. 00:04:08.041 --> 00:04:09.061 Haha, that's the bit. 00:04:09.561 --> 00:04:13.581 I'm starting us off with a craving that I think both of us have been having. 00:04:13.821 --> 00:04:15.941 I think it's a shared craving, really. 00:04:15.961 --> 00:04:20.741 I want a game that makes me feel like Hades does. 00:04:21.041 --> 00:04:24.341 Because Hades is the best goddamn game right now for me. 00:04:24.821 --> 00:04:26.881 For me, I'm obsessed with Hades. 00:04:26.901 --> 00:04:28.921 I'm constantly craving Hades. 00:04:28.941 --> 00:04:29.501 I love it. 00:04:29.541 --> 00:04:30.521 It's fantastic. 00:04:30.821 --> 00:04:33.241 I want another game that makes me feel like this. 00:04:34.481 --> 00:04:35.581 What is the feeling? 00:04:36.361 --> 00:04:43.681 Because I've only killed my father once, and I know I need to kill him nine more times before he actually lets me out. 00:04:43.941 --> 00:04:46.741 You should kill your father more times, for sure. 00:04:47.281 --> 00:04:49.581 Have you already killed him ten times? 00:04:50.101 --> 00:04:50.501 Yes. 00:04:50.781 --> 00:04:52.541 I heard the ending was kind of bad. 00:04:53.761 --> 00:04:54.881 Yeah, I'm not huge on it. 00:04:55.361 --> 00:05:02.721 It's like one of those endings where it's like, I know you had to do this ending because you want to be able to play the game even after that. 00:05:02.981 --> 00:05:07.481 And so I understand how you get to that ending, but it doesn't have nearly enough fuck dad's energy. 00:05:08.101 --> 00:05:14.401 I absolutely refuse to give him any nectar, and I don't want his bullshit trinkets. 00:05:14.881 --> 00:05:17.321 Listen, you don't get his trinket until post. 00:05:17.401 --> 00:05:18.661 It's the whole thing. 00:05:18.781 --> 00:05:21.121 Yeah, so I have mixed feelings about the ending of that game. 00:05:21.141 --> 00:05:24.121 So here's my critiques with Hades, okay? 00:05:24.141 --> 00:05:26.341 And then I'm just gonna go into how much I love it. 00:05:26.901 --> 00:05:27.461 Critiques. 00:05:27.721 --> 00:05:30.581 The ending I don't think is necessarily fantastic. 00:05:30.821 --> 00:05:35.121 Could be more recognition that Hades is the worst dad, just a terrible dad. 00:05:35.381 --> 00:05:39.561 I don't care about the whatever, the big main plot shit. 00:05:39.561 --> 00:05:40.601 He's just a bad dad. 00:05:40.661 --> 00:05:49.621 My other critique is I'm not huge on the designs of the Olympians because everyone is ashy as hell, which doesn't make sense to me. 00:05:51.141 --> 00:05:56.181 All of their skin just looks extremely ashy, and I don't understand why. 00:05:56.361 --> 00:05:57.981 They make their skin look good. 00:05:58.301 --> 00:06:01.061 All the other art in this game is absolutely beautiful. 00:06:01.381 --> 00:06:02.721 I don't understand how this happened. 00:06:02.941 --> 00:06:04.461 Like the texture? 00:06:04.901 --> 00:06:17.681 There's a lot of critiques often levied at artists who draw darker skin in a way that just doesn't look like skin or looks like badly maintained and taken care of skin, right? 00:06:18.141 --> 00:06:22.861 Where it'll be like a certain tone that just makes it look kind of grayish. 00:06:22.901 --> 00:06:26.101 And this is something you can see in a lot of, especially like white people's art. 00:06:26.521 --> 00:06:31.301 In Hades, everyone's ashy, including the white people. 00:06:31.381 --> 00:06:38.481 It's just like everyone looks sort of gray, and I understand the thing that they're going for, because like, oh yeah, it's the underworld. 00:06:39.061 --> 00:06:49.801 But also the Olympians also look gray, and I don't understand why the Olympians would, because they're literally Greek gods living in luxury. 00:06:50.801 --> 00:06:51.841 It does not make sense. 00:06:52.341 --> 00:06:53.881 Especially Aphrodite. 00:06:54.481 --> 00:06:55.741 Yes, exactly. 00:06:55.761 --> 00:07:01.981 The art choices don't make sense on that level, and therefore I will not defend them on that level. 00:07:02.341 --> 00:07:04.321 And so that's my other critique of Hades. 00:07:04.601 --> 00:07:07.641 On every other level, I think this game kicks ass. 00:07:08.221 --> 00:07:10.121 I think the story is good. 00:07:10.141 --> 00:07:12.081 I think a lot of it looks really good. 00:07:12.441 --> 00:07:16.401 And the gameplay especially is super good. 00:07:16.441 --> 00:07:17.961 The gameplay just rocks. 00:07:18.381 --> 00:07:21.301 Every time I play that game, I'm like, this is the best thing in the world. 00:07:21.661 --> 00:07:24.881 And then I stop playing that game and I'm like, what if I played more of that game? 00:07:25.281 --> 00:07:27.101 And that's really where I'm at with it. 00:07:31.241 --> 00:07:36.781 Can I just have another game that makes me as excited as this one does? 00:07:37.101 --> 00:07:37.761 You can. 00:07:37.921 --> 00:07:42.601 There's at least two other games like this called Bastion and Transistor. 00:07:42.741 --> 00:07:44.801 Are the other Supergiant games as good as this? 00:07:44.901 --> 00:07:52.041 OK, so like no, because what Hades is, is a refinement of all of their games. 00:07:52.481 --> 00:07:59.841 Bastion, I think, is an excellent narrative game that like, you know, they're starting off on their mechanics. 00:07:59.861 --> 00:08:02.401 Like literally Bastion is their first publication. 00:08:02.721 --> 00:08:13.841 But like the dodging, the mechanics, like all the shooting mechanics, the punching, all of your mechanics, all your weapons from Hades, you will immediately recognize that they were birthed in Bastion. 00:08:14.121 --> 00:08:16.161 Your dodging mechanics birthed in Bastion. 00:08:16.181 --> 00:08:17.861 It still feels just as good there. 00:08:18.161 --> 00:08:23.481 The difference is like the way story is told, I would say is better in Hades. 00:08:23.921 --> 00:08:27.281 Actually, I have critiques on the way story is told in Hades. 00:08:27.681 --> 00:08:31.561 I think it might actually be better in Bastion, but it's a little more limited in Bastion. 00:08:31.581 --> 00:08:32.901 That's Bastion's failings. 00:08:32.921 --> 00:08:37.401 Transistor brings in the idea of modifying weapons. 00:08:37.601 --> 00:08:43.761 You know how in Hades, you have your, basically your dash, attack, special and cast? 00:08:43.881 --> 00:08:45.721 Like you can then modify them further. 00:08:46.141 --> 00:08:49.101 What Transistor introduces is exactly that mechanic. 00:08:49.341 --> 00:08:56.301 You get a bunch of like items and you can attach them as either an attack or a boon to that attack. 00:08:57.741 --> 00:09:04.601 I haven't played Pyre, but I've heard some very, very, very good things about the story and that it struggles mechanically. 00:09:04.861 --> 00:09:12.661 And then there's Hades, which takes the best parts of the mechanics and it turns it into a roguelike. 00:09:12.881 --> 00:09:28.781 I think my biggest critique of Hades is it can feel really disjointed in its storytelling at times because I would be 10 runs in and I would get someone's introduction after I had met them five times before. 00:09:28.861 --> 00:09:31.341 And it's like, oh, I've been told about you. 00:09:31.381 --> 00:09:35.121 And it's like, dude, we've talked a dozen times already. 00:09:37.221 --> 00:09:39.121 That's so funny because I've never gotten that. 00:09:39.201 --> 00:09:41.501 I've never dealt with that. 00:09:41.721 --> 00:09:46.121 I feel like that's probably a function of you just being very good at the game very quickly. 00:09:46.461 --> 00:09:55.461 My skill level is not the expected skill level because my skill level plateaus really quickly because I played Bastion and Transistor this year. 00:09:55.801 --> 00:09:57.661 So I was very used to the mechanics. 00:09:57.681 --> 00:10:02.261 And on my very first run, I made it to Elysium, which I'm pretty sure is unexpected. 00:10:02.281 --> 00:10:04.501 That's absolutely unexpected. 00:10:04.701 --> 00:10:07.161 My first run, I died to Megara. 00:10:07.401 --> 00:10:10.781 Like, I've never died to any of the Furies ever. 00:10:10.861 --> 00:10:13.421 Like, that's fucking wild to me. 00:10:14.601 --> 00:10:18.641 Yeah, no, the only boss I've ever died to is Hades and the Minotaur. 00:10:19.021 --> 00:10:19.661 Not even the- 00:10:19.661 --> 00:10:21.361 or you mean Theseus and the Minotaur? 00:10:21.381 --> 00:10:22.341 Or just the Minotaur? 00:10:23.081 --> 00:10:25.921 The Minotaur in Theseus and the Minotaur. 00:10:25.941 --> 00:10:27.181 I've never died to Theseus. 00:10:27.521 --> 00:10:28.841 Fuck Theseus so much. 00:10:29.481 --> 00:10:31.881 And also I've never died to the Minotaur by himself. 00:10:32.581 --> 00:10:33.921 I've died to Theseus. 00:10:33.941 --> 00:10:36.141 I don't know that I've ever actually died to the Minotaur by himself. 00:10:36.261 --> 00:10:39.261 I've died to Spikes because Spikes are kind of a new thing. 00:10:39.341 --> 00:10:44.781 I've died to, like, a lot of the traps, because traps are a new thing, unless they're introduced in Pyre. 00:10:44.801 --> 00:10:46.541 Again, my knowledge of Pyre is very limited. 00:10:46.701 --> 00:11:03.061 But then my skill level plateaus, because, like, everyone sort of passes me, because you're getting used to it for what it is, and I am coming into it, oh, this is Bastion, this is Transistor, gives me this really weird progression in the story that doesn't make sense. 00:11:03.081 --> 00:11:05.001 I'm their edge case. 00:11:05.321 --> 00:11:10.401 Supergiant, hire me to bug test your games, because I'm good at breaking things, and I've proved it yet again. 00:11:10.421 --> 00:11:13.681 Once again, I have broken the game. 00:11:13.701 --> 00:11:18.521 So that's my biggest critique, I guess. 00:11:18.581 --> 00:11:24.181 But I think that this is absolutely a game that is made for, you've never played a Supergiant game before. 00:11:24.201 --> 00:11:27.241 This, to me, is the vibe of this game. 00:11:27.281 --> 00:11:37.341 For Wordsworth, I've seen lots of people who I know playing this game who either, like, weren't gamers or didn't play, like, indie games or only played, like, the big releases. 00:11:37.361 --> 00:11:40.781 This has really been kind of one of those games that everyone's playing. 00:11:40.801 --> 00:11:47.381 I looked on my Switch when I was playing Hades one time and there were six people online and five of them were playing Hades. 00:11:47.661 --> 00:11:49.401 Like, that's what this game is. 00:11:49.421 --> 00:11:52.301 We're back to Animal Crossing vibes, where I log on and ten people are... 00:11:52.721 --> 00:11:54.461 The sixth person was playing Animal Crossing. 00:11:55.501 --> 00:11:56.701 Of course, yes. 00:11:57.161 --> 00:11:58.601 Very much those vibes. 00:11:58.741 --> 00:11:59.661 It's a lot of fun. 00:11:59.681 --> 00:12:08.401 I'm not usually part of, like, cultural moments like this because I don't go games until several years later, so I don't know what's hangful price. 00:12:08.921 --> 00:12:14.501 I probably am going to go try Supergiant Games, but will it give me the same feeling that I get, you know? 00:12:14.601 --> 00:12:18.981 No, it won't because there's not, like, a way to replicate perfectly. 00:12:19.641 --> 00:12:25.241 Anyway, all of this is to say that, yes, you can tell that perhaps I've been craving Hades. 00:12:26.801 --> 00:12:40.241 And, yeah, I'll probably have to go back and play some other Supergiant Games, but also I just would like more things like this that just, like, get me excited about, like, oh man, I'm excited to die over and over and try and go back at it again. 00:12:40.261 --> 00:12:46.181 Because when a game can make me excited to die, then I know I'm having fun. 00:12:46.901 --> 00:12:56.001 I mean, in terms of other games that you could be excited to die in, I guess, give Mario Necromancer powers? 00:12:56.561 --> 00:13:00.441 Super Mario Hades. 00:13:00.461 --> 00:13:10.541 Okay, but the idea of like a Mario where you could like spawn a ghost Mario and jump on it is wicked cool. 00:13:10.981 --> 00:13:16.061 The Mario and Luigi games, but it's just Mario and Mario, but one of the Marios is an undead Mario. 00:13:16.641 --> 00:13:20.641 Yeah, a Mario Roguelike is maybe the funniest thing I've ever heard. 00:13:21.841 --> 00:13:23.541 That's just Mario Maker. 00:13:23.561 --> 00:13:24.421 I guess. 00:13:24.441 --> 00:13:24.941 Yeah, it is. 00:13:25.721 --> 00:13:30.781 Except Roguelike, I think you have to be able to, you know, go back to start and get stronger in some way. 00:13:30.941 --> 00:13:34.281 Because otherwise, any game where you're bad at it is a Roguelike. 00:13:36.221 --> 00:13:38.861 Wow, there's a lot of games that are Roguelike suddenly. 00:13:41.561 --> 00:13:44.301 Turns out any first person shooter is a Roguelike for me. 00:13:44.321 --> 00:13:44.901 I don't know. 00:13:46.021 --> 00:13:48.681 Call of Duty is actually the best Roguelike. 00:13:48.901 --> 00:13:52.061 My personal favorite Roguelike is Overwatch. 00:13:55.441 --> 00:13:58.221 Maybe one day I will kill my father in Overwatch. 00:13:58.761 --> 00:14:01.161 Winston is the father to all of us. 00:14:01.981 --> 00:14:03.541 We can talk about video games no longer. 00:14:03.561 --> 00:14:05.341 That's it. 00:14:05.361 --> 00:14:09.441 That's the limit is when Winston gets brought up, you got to shut it down. 00:14:09.661 --> 00:14:11.321 Winston is the point of no return. 00:14:11.341 --> 00:14:13.341 Do you want to tell me about what you're craving? 00:14:13.721 --> 00:14:17.421 I watched the first two episodes of Star Wars recently. 00:14:17.441 --> 00:14:24.421 And I've been messaging you about it, of course. 00:14:27.081 --> 00:14:30.041 And the reason is like, because I want to watch the Clone Wars. 00:14:30.061 --> 00:14:34.761 But I want to talk about fucking episode two for a second. 00:14:35.881 --> 00:14:36.541 No, let's get it. 00:14:36.561 --> 00:14:36.901 Listen. 00:14:36.901 --> 00:14:37.721 Hey everyone. 00:14:39.741 --> 00:14:43.401 You know how I said I wasn't going to bring a Star Wars craving? 00:14:43.421 --> 00:14:43.861 Yeah. 00:14:44.041 --> 00:14:46.281 Turns out I didn't have to. 00:14:47.241 --> 00:14:49.261 We're getting into the Star Wars time. 00:14:49.561 --> 00:15:00.161 I'm going to start putting like timestamps in the description if you want to skip over all the Star Wars talk, but I shouldn't because it's going to be some wicked great Star Wars talk. 00:15:00.281 --> 00:15:03.401 Anyway, let's talk about episode two. 00:15:03.921 --> 00:15:17.561 My craving is the death of the 90s and early 2000s cool guy energy because holy shit, Anakin is just manipulative and bad. 00:15:18.521 --> 00:15:19.341 Holy shit. 00:15:19.881 --> 00:15:21.481 Anakin is Edward from Twilight. 00:15:21.701 --> 00:15:22.201 That is- 00:15:22.401 --> 00:15:24.561 No, he's so much worse. 00:15:25.281 --> 00:15:26.761 How is Anakin worse than Edward? 00:15:27.401 --> 00:15:29.741 Ash has also expressed this opinion and I don't understand. 00:15:31.961 --> 00:15:34.501 To me, they are basically on the same level. 00:15:35.061 --> 00:15:41.801 If you're going to try and tell me Edward's not a crypto-fash, that book was written by a Mormon. 00:15:41.941 --> 00:15:43.261 I don't know what you want. 00:15:44.041 --> 00:16:04.921 Now, it has been some time since I've read and or watched Twilight, so my memory is probably a little hazy there, but most of the time, Edward was like, if you don't love me, that sucks, and then Edward would quietly go off and try to kill himself and then end up being saved for some reason. 00:16:04.941 --> 00:16:10.981 Anakin straight up is like, every moment I'm not with you, I'm hurting. 00:16:11.441 --> 00:16:14.141 I'll fucking die if you ever leave me. 00:16:14.161 --> 00:16:17.781 I cannot be apart from you anymore. 00:16:17.801 --> 00:16:19.441 I would suffer. 00:16:19.461 --> 00:16:23.141 And then just forces himself on Padme in one scene. 00:16:23.881 --> 00:16:28.821 And then in like the next scene is like, and then you kissed me and now this is your fault. 00:16:29.381 --> 00:16:31.661 And it's like, fuck off. 00:16:31.741 --> 00:16:32.941 Holy shit. 00:16:35.101 --> 00:16:42.281 Anakin, I, first of all, I think there are more similarities between Anakin and Edward than you remember having watched the Twilight movies recently. 00:16:42.401 --> 00:16:47.041 There are different types of manipulation and they are both extremely manipulative. 00:16:47.381 --> 00:16:50.541 But I will say Anakin sucks so bad. 00:16:51.881 --> 00:16:53.161 He's just the worst. 00:16:53.741 --> 00:17:07.141 So many of the faults of the prequels are like, it doesn't communicate effectively enough what you're supposed to be feeling about all of the obviously fucked up things that are happening, right? 00:17:07.161 --> 00:17:15.501 I just want to say, The Fault In Our Stars is actually about Anakin because it's the stars and he's the fault in those stars. 00:17:15.801 --> 00:17:20.921 The Fault In Our Star Wars. 00:17:20.941 --> 00:17:21.961 It wasn't the war. 00:17:22.141 --> 00:17:25.481 It wasn't the narrative on clones or droids. 00:17:25.561 --> 00:17:26.521 It was Anakin. 00:17:27.001 --> 00:17:34.861 Anakin to me reads as such a realistic portrayal of a person, specific type of person that exists. 00:17:35.121 --> 00:17:53.681 And the fact that everyone just sort of goes along with his stuff and like doesn't challenge it outwardly, but like tries to make some sorts of like, oh, hey, maybe you shouldn't do that, but like doesn't really do anything about it is so realistic to the reality that like I can only imagine. 00:17:53.701 --> 00:17:54.501 Sorry. 00:17:55.001 --> 00:18:05.521 There's just a scene in episode two where he goes in, murders an entire village and then comes back and is like sad. 00:18:05.561 --> 00:18:11.201 And is like, to be clear, I didn't only kill the men, I killed the women and the children. 00:18:12.101 --> 00:18:15.161 And then Padme is like, we've all had hard days. 00:18:15.321 --> 00:18:15.741 Yes. 00:18:16.001 --> 00:18:20.721 No, Padme reacts to Anakin is absolutely fucking ridiculous. 00:18:21.581 --> 00:18:27.741 The only way that I am able to square it, the only way that I'm able to square it and that I'm able to make it make sense. 00:18:27.761 --> 00:18:30.021 And it doesn't fit with Padme's actual characterization. 00:18:30.241 --> 00:18:35.441 But if I imagine Padme as like a Democrat, then I can make it make sense. 00:18:36.921 --> 00:18:42.641 I mean, she is a politician, but like it's just so ridiculous to me. 00:18:43.281 --> 00:18:53.561 Everything about how Anakin is just the worst and is outwardly obviously the worst and doesn't even pretend to not be the worst. 00:18:53.881 --> 00:18:56.701 And everyone is just like, he's having a hard day. 00:18:56.781 --> 00:18:58.301 I've had a lot of hard days. 00:18:58.361 --> 00:19:00.101 I've never slaughtered a village. 00:19:00.501 --> 00:19:00.841 Right. 00:19:01.001 --> 00:19:02.021 But here's the thing. 00:19:02.041 --> 00:19:04.421 Including the children. 00:19:05.281 --> 00:19:05.621 Right. 00:19:05.641 --> 00:19:06.161 No, for sure. 00:19:06.281 --> 00:19:08.141 I mean, listen, this is like the last time Anakin's gonna... 00:19:08.161 --> 00:19:10.161 And then bragging about killing the children. 00:19:10.181 --> 00:19:13.721 This is not going to be the last time Anakin slaughters children. 00:19:15.321 --> 00:19:26.081 Here's my thing is, I think it sucks and is gross, and I don't think that the prequels frame it in the way that they should, which is, everyone should be able to tell that Anakin is a problem. 00:19:26.441 --> 00:19:27.181 And the fact that... 00:19:27.201 --> 00:19:28.621 That he is the bad person. 00:19:29.061 --> 00:19:34.961 Here's my argument as to why I think this is realistic, other than Padme, who I think is just like, you know, you deserve better. 00:19:36.001 --> 00:19:37.761 Poorly characterized, bad writing. 00:19:37.781 --> 00:19:38.481 Very poorly characterized. 00:19:38.501 --> 00:19:42.301 But I think the way the Jedi react to Anakin makes so much sense. 00:19:42.601 --> 00:19:50.161 It makes so much sense, the way that they react to Anakin, which is like, they don't do anything, because they're hoping he will be the savior. 00:19:50.561 --> 00:19:52.701 And they're just sort of like, well, you know... 00:19:52.721 --> 00:20:04.681 And this is something that I think does seem a little bit more intentional in kind of later seasons of The Clone Wars, is like, everyone kind of knows that Anakin is sketch. 00:20:05.361 --> 00:20:06.941 People are aware of it. 00:20:07.221 --> 00:20:12.261 It's even implied at certain points throughout the series that people know about Anakin and Padme. 00:20:12.441 --> 00:20:19.561 This is a thing that is known, and they're all just not addressing it, because he's useful for the war, he's useful as the chosen one. 00:20:19.961 --> 00:20:26.781 They don't really know how to deal with him, because he came in late, and he has attachments to his mother, and he was raised as a slave. 00:20:27.121 --> 00:20:39.881 There's this kind of, I think, I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but it's not made clear enough, that like, Anakin is bad, and people know this, and they're just sort of ignoring it. 00:20:40.001 --> 00:20:45.101 That to me feels so realistic to the way that people treat Anakin-like figures. 00:20:47.061 --> 00:20:49.301 Ignoring problems until they blow up? 00:20:49.961 --> 00:20:50.401 Yes. 00:20:50.421 --> 00:20:52.641 Could never be any institution. 00:20:52.661 --> 00:20:54.981 That's the Jedi way, right? 00:20:55.061 --> 00:20:56.681 That is the story of the Jedi. 00:20:56.981 --> 00:21:07.521 And on that level, I think, I wish that the prequels were more clear cut about that, because they also can't be too clear cut about the Jedi being bad, because the Jedi are supposed to be, at least on paper, the good guys. 00:21:08.701 --> 00:21:10.941 You have to be able to sell more Yoda toys. 00:21:11.401 --> 00:21:12.801 Exactly, exactly. 00:21:12.821 --> 00:21:15.941 Yeah, we need the death of that specific archetype. 00:21:16.221 --> 00:21:19.401 I think Anakin is at its most toxic. 00:21:19.401 --> 00:21:26.941 I think Anakin, in a weird way, I think might have contributed to the death of that specific version of the archetype. 00:21:27.281 --> 00:21:36.861 I think it's continued on in certain ways, but Anakin was so far to the whiny, angry end of that spectrum that it was very... 00:21:36.881 --> 00:21:37.661 Man-child. 00:21:37.961 --> 00:21:38.321 Right. 00:21:38.341 --> 00:21:45.961 It was so man-child that I think it kind of gave people a wake-up call and were like, huh, we shouldn't do this. 00:21:46.421 --> 00:21:47.281 Hey, we shouldn't. 00:21:47.761 --> 00:21:48.941 We should, at the very least. 00:21:49.681 --> 00:21:53.221 We're not going to get better about our representations of men because we... 00:21:53.241 --> 00:21:55.141 We need to make different shitty archetypes. 00:21:55.481 --> 00:21:57.701 Right, we need some new shitty archetypes. 00:21:57.721 --> 00:21:59.221 Do you have more to say about episode two? 00:21:59.861 --> 00:22:03.601 No, well, I mean, yes, but probably not for now. 00:22:03.941 --> 00:22:04.921 No, why not now? 00:22:05.401 --> 00:22:08.001 There's always more time to talk about it. 00:22:08.101 --> 00:22:14.861 My one other thing, they cut to the wedding out of nowhere at the very end. 00:22:15.281 --> 00:22:18.121 It's like also the ending is bad. 00:22:18.401 --> 00:22:21.401 And also it never feels like Padme wants to be there. 00:22:21.801 --> 00:22:22.341 It doesn't. 00:22:22.721 --> 00:22:24.161 Why would they get married? 00:22:24.361 --> 00:22:26.301 She clearly doesn't want to get married. 00:22:26.741 --> 00:22:29.181 And it's not like she's like being pressured. 00:22:29.401 --> 00:22:30.921 She's a sitting senator. 00:22:30.941 --> 00:22:34.521 She has more power in this relationship. 00:22:34.521 --> 00:22:35.361 She's older. 00:22:35.381 --> 00:22:36.561 She's a sitting senator. 00:22:36.981 --> 00:22:38.681 She's like six years older. 00:22:38.701 --> 00:22:40.601 Also six years older. 00:22:40.621 --> 00:22:41.301 Yeah. 00:22:41.481 --> 00:22:42.521 No, it's not. 00:22:43.161 --> 00:22:44.061 It's not good. 00:22:44.181 --> 00:22:55.321 So one of the things that Ash and I watched is the making of documentary for episode one, which is a documentary in which everyone knows the movie that they're making is bad. 00:22:56.861 --> 00:22:58.941 It's fantastic. 00:22:59.041 --> 00:23:06.981 But it's very hard to see like the actors for young Anakin and Padme, the two of them there. 00:23:07.001 --> 00:23:15.481 And you're like in those videos, like the child is something like, I think he's nine and Natalie Portman is 16. 00:23:15.941 --> 00:23:16.621 Like, right. 00:23:16.641 --> 00:23:16.961 Yeah. 00:23:17.041 --> 00:23:17.401 Yeah. 00:23:17.721 --> 00:23:18.841 It's super duper fucked. 00:23:19.541 --> 00:23:25.921 Star Wars is, I think, a series that has a lot of terrible heterosexual relationships in it. 00:23:27.481 --> 00:23:28.681 And no homosexual relationships. 00:23:29.681 --> 00:23:33.921 And no homosexual relationships, which like, I don't want them to try. 00:23:35.781 --> 00:23:38.181 Please, you can't even do straight people, right? 00:23:38.201 --> 00:23:39.961 Please stay away from our gays. 00:23:40.301 --> 00:23:43.221 Like, I know who in Star Wars is queer. 00:23:43.261 --> 00:23:44.261 I've decided. 00:23:44.601 --> 00:23:45.581 It's BB-8. 00:23:45.961 --> 00:23:46.861 Uh-huh, BB-8. 00:23:47.301 --> 00:23:51.321 Yeah, no, I have my very long list of Star Wars queer headcanons. 00:23:51.981 --> 00:23:53.601 And it is not every character. 00:23:53.601 --> 00:23:54.821 Han Solo is straight. 00:23:57.201 --> 00:23:59.261 Luke, you're a gay man now. 00:23:59.281 --> 00:24:06.761 I don't know how to do with Darth Vader's Scottish voice. 00:24:09.821 --> 00:24:12.001 Did you hear about our Luke? 00:24:13.401 --> 00:24:15.281 He's a gay man now. 00:24:15.501 --> 00:24:23.641 No, I think one of the other fucked up parts about it is it's very unclear whether George Lucas think it's the worst. 00:24:24.161 --> 00:24:28.001 Like I just don't think that man should be allowed to touch sci fi again. 00:24:28.021 --> 00:24:29.901 Yeah, I think you're right. 00:24:29.961 --> 00:24:35.801 I think I also am like, you know, I don't know that Disney Star Wars is any better, but I am glad it's out of his hands. 00:24:35.901 --> 00:24:37.641 Clone Wars did a lot of work on Anakin. 00:24:37.661 --> 00:24:41.561 I don't know how you fix Attack of the Clones Anakin who is. 00:24:42.301 --> 00:24:52.181 I don't know, I'm looking forward to a well characterized character who I can hate rather than a character who is framed as you should like this character and I don't. 00:24:52.661 --> 00:24:55.041 Is that a good Star Wars conversation? 00:24:55.061 --> 00:24:56.741 I guess so. 00:24:57.181 --> 00:24:59.001 It solves my craving. 00:24:59.281 --> 00:25:01.721 We will just exterminate Anakin. 00:25:02.361 --> 00:25:06.841 We will exterminate Anakin and Anakin alike across the galaxy. 00:25:07.161 --> 00:25:08.801 That's my evil Sith plan. 00:25:09.301 --> 00:25:12.361 If you elect me as Sith, I will ban Anakin. 00:25:12.461 --> 00:25:13.941 I call it the Banakin. 00:25:14.361 --> 00:25:29.841 As your Supreme Chancellor, I will destroy all of the whiny, angsty, manipulative young men in the galaxy. 00:25:30.581 --> 00:25:33.421 Shall we talk about the fan craving? 00:25:34.401 --> 00:25:35.401 We could skip it. 00:25:37.021 --> 00:25:38.161 No, I don't think we can. 00:25:38.641 --> 00:25:42.001 We have a duty to the people, the people of this podcast. 00:25:42.321 --> 00:25:46.601 Alright, before we jump into it, hi, this is a content warning. 00:25:49.861 --> 00:25:51.801 We're going to be talking about cannibals. 00:25:52.041 --> 00:25:56.401 Before people hear the content warning, you gotta do the intro for the framing. 00:26:00.421 --> 00:26:08.061 Oh, framing, it's a framing, framing, it's a framing, framing. 00:26:08.101 --> 00:26:10.881 Oh, there once was a framing on the sea. 00:26:11.541 --> 00:26:15.121 We cannot deprive the people of the intro. 00:26:15.561 --> 00:26:16.941 Now let's talk about the content warning. 00:26:16.961 --> 00:26:18.941 I think it should be a sea shanty from now on because of this. 00:26:19.061 --> 00:26:24.101 Yeah, so content warning, we're going to be talking about cannibalism for some fucking reason. 00:26:24.761 --> 00:26:25.321 Because you... 00:26:28.261 --> 00:26:28.621 Uh-huh. 00:26:28.941 --> 00:26:33.181 So this comes to us from at Monster Pure on Twitter. 00:26:33.201 --> 00:26:36.061 It says, Hey Salt Cravings, my craving is a little wordy. 00:26:36.341 --> 00:26:38.361 So I know sailors used to do cannibalism. 00:26:38.441 --> 00:26:39.181 It was normal. 00:26:39.181 --> 00:26:40.921 But like, why didn't they just fish? 00:26:41.341 --> 00:26:44.501 My craving is the answer to why didn't they just eat fish? 00:26:46.901 --> 00:26:49.961 For background, at Monster Pure is my roommate. 00:26:50.661 --> 00:26:51.801 We had a great conversation. 00:26:52.501 --> 00:26:55.021 And I think it needs to be asked. 00:26:55.141 --> 00:26:56.721 It's a question that needs to be asked. 00:26:57.021 --> 00:26:58.181 Why didn't they just eat fish? 00:26:58.921 --> 00:27:06.541 By the way, yes, it was extremely like, common to talk about, like, sailors doing cannibalism. 00:27:06.561 --> 00:27:10.341 There are paintings of it, of like, particularly Grease's examples. 00:27:10.501 --> 00:27:14.421 But it's like, generally accepted that like, this was a thing that happened often. 00:27:15.041 --> 00:27:17.221 I have, I have the answer. 00:27:17.241 --> 00:27:20.901 The thing is, I told you the answer, the correct answer last night. 00:27:21.761 --> 00:27:30.741 I would love nothing more than to solve this craving in like, two seconds because I do have the answer. 00:27:30.761 --> 00:27:32.161 Yeah, so what's the answer, Clair? 00:27:33.281 --> 00:27:39.581 The answer to why didn't they just eat fish was because they love the taste of semen. 00:27:39.601 --> 00:27:40.541 Uh-huh. 00:27:43.341 --> 00:27:44.681 So we can move on, right? 00:27:44.701 --> 00:27:46.881 We don't have to talk about cannibalism now. 00:27:46.901 --> 00:27:50.321 No, I think we need to talk about, I think we need to talk about the issue. 00:27:50.341 --> 00:27:51.121 I'm sorry, everybody. 00:27:51.641 --> 00:27:52.261 I tried. 00:27:52.281 --> 00:27:53.901 You tried, but no. 00:27:53.921 --> 00:27:56.181